I think there's a small amount in my multivitamin anyway and I get a good amount of fruits and vegetables. The low IGF1 is a little odd, as I'm not very calorically restricted, I lift heavy weights, and my diet has plenty of meat, methionine, and often supplemental Whey + BCAAs. There are some supplements containing 10mg of Boron (200mg Boron Citrate=10mg Boron) saying it raises testosterone. I mean, I just ran a Hormone + Thyroid + Cardiometabolic test for $400 bucks in total, then I'm looking at tacking on the Micronutrient panel down the road for what actually looks like $380 now, with a HMT on top for $120. And would have many times guessed them completely wrong. It is possible to lower SHBG in some cases if you simply lower ONE of the hormones it binds, like estrogen, and in turn this will lead to more free of everything else including testosterone. The amounts of supplements of course varied, usually always starting at the lowest possible dose increasing gradually over years to find the optimal dose (not by feeling, but by comparing to laboratory results), so the amounts taken stated here are of course only average per day for the last 8 years. However, very elevated Zn in hair nearly always means Zn deficiency and low plasma Zn levels. You only guessed that zinc and boron would lower SHBG for the first week only, but you never tested. Bodybuilding.com℠ and BodySpace® are trademarks of Bodybuilding.com. Well he had Boron 30 mg as Potassium Borate, which Zinc has been tested and confirmed to raise testosterone independent of a zinc deficiency, and I can feel it. I'm starting to think maybe it's best I don't add it for now, but I'm not sure how important it is to take all the vit. I reiterated the 9 mg and he said I should be taking 90 mg. That is right - 90 mg! Those wanting to see a recent Boron video can look up Jorge Fletchas MD 2013 report on Boron. Overall, this diet feels most excellent. The cheapest option, of course, would be to run a trial of zinc and boron, pretty harmless at the doses you intent, and just test SHBG after 2-3 months again. @ 30mg once a week (with the boron?) I have very low oestrogen, but I also have a mother who died of breast cancer, so am glad of this thread - I'll leave it xxxx. Emphasis on 'seems'. D cofactors. I've never yet found a lab that can reliably assay barium in hair. Because boron increases the health of the hormone system, other references report a drop in cancer rates for breast and prostate cancers in high boron areas. Zinc and boron works INDEPENDENTLY of a deficiency (read the studies), but they still cease to exert their beneficial effects after approx. Forum » Main Forums » Supplements » Boron IMPORTANT; Results 1 to 10 of 10 Thread: Boron IMPORTANT. In my case my GP does test for all 3 in serum once in a while. I cured my rheumatoid arthritis with borax (12 mule team variety). Even D3, zinc and copper are done that way. I have read that B6 is used with Zinc metabolism with popular stacks like ZMA) ? I've found that when I take vit. I started thinking that would require 30, 3 mg caps - hmm - that is a lot!. The highest max level on this chart was 80 nmol/L, where I seem to be in the highest tier. Edited by pamojja, 28 May 2017 - 07:27 PM. Boron increases D3 absorption by a large amount (see Examine for study) which can lead to hypervitaminosis D/hypercalcemia which I was diagnosed with after using 12mg boron for a couple of months along with 10000iu D3 daily. Therefore I wouldn't say that supplementing zinc and boron is useless, it would be in the absence of a deficiency but that deficiency is hard to test, in practice supplementing zinc and boron is a good idea since those are not very abundant in most foods (just in case), over supplementing (taking more than what is recommended) in the hope of getting better or more evident results is totally useless. Don't listen to the idiots who say that this is bad for testosterone, it's NOT. Edited by brosci, 31 May 2017 - 07:46 PM. Ten were given a 2.5-mg boron supplement while 9 were given a placebo every day for 7 weeks. I tried it a few months back and felt some benefits but also experienced uncomfortable breast pain like dunningblue, so I stopped taking it. So maybe worthwhile to shop around for better prices? And SHBG only got excessive with the recent normalization of testosterone. In a healthy person without a metal-metabolism problem, only about 4% of excreted Zn leaves through the kidneys.”, “I've done hair analysis proficiency testing for more than 25 years. "Riboflavin, in excess, is excreted in the urine and is responsible for turning urine a bright yellow-green fluorescent colour but is not associated with toxicity. Edited by brosci, 30 May 2017 - 01:28 AM. In reading around, I saw Boron supplementation and Zinc supplementation listed as possible ways to counter-act the high SHBG (short of eating more carbs and more calories more often.) What on God's green earth are you even arguing? There is a great deal of negative information published on boron by official sources available which has minimal if any scientific basis. But they are the only indications short of guessing. Notice how you FEEL right now. Overall, I do not find the uranium assay to be of clinical value.”, “The "good" elements are Ca, Mg, Zn, Cu, Na, K, S, Mn, Fe, Pb, Se, P, and Cd.”, “Others that are decent (qualitative relevance) are Sb, As, Hg, Cr, Mo, Li, Ba, Ni, Sr, and Co.”, “Terrible assays (according to my tests) are: Al, Be, Bi, Pt, Th, Tl, U, Ag, Sn, Ti, V, B, I, Ge, Rb, and Zr.”, “We've obtained hair Zn and plasma Zn levels (simultaneously) about 40,000 times. In my country we pay monthly fees for health insurance, and for that we to get on request a basic check-up of most important lab markers, with complaints also more specialty ones, like hormones, thyroid and cardio. Supplemental Boron + Zinc for lowering SHBG - posted in Supplements: I recently did a hormone panel and saw my sex hormone binding globulin was at 76 nmol/L (in the RED) on a reference scale of 10 - 57. Boron and zinc only seems to work for a week and then it doesn't work anymore. Edited by pamojja, 30 May 2017 - 02:09 PM. Any thoughts on how this form of Yeast-bound Zinc compares against Zinc Oxide, Zinc L-monomethionine, or Zinc Carnosine? I didn't notice too much which indicates to me that my free test is fine (I only know that my total test is high via blood work, but they don't test free testosterone in Canada unless you have a good reason to). The highest max level on this chart was 80 nmol/L, where I seem to be in the highest tier. Hair Cu values can provide information of clinical significance, but by itself is not clinically decisive.”, “Elevated hair magnesium nearly always means magnesium depletion in the body, presumably because of increased Mg excretion. This is not recommended for shared computers, Sign in anonymously So what the hell is the issue? Boron is estimated to be about as toxic as table salt from research. I supplement B9, B12, and TMG, but I don't supplement B6. - because you simply never tested them like I do regularly. If not, chances are you've always had high SHBG.... because it's often genetic and you can often find your genetic level if you test your blood frequently enough. Replacing all my hormones at 25. As I clearly stated that free and total testosterone normalized with my last blood test results. I was reading the minerals might be measured better in red blood cells. Despite this, reported uranium levels usually are quite high in mining areas.... so there appears to be some QUALITATIVE significance to the uranium analysis..... but little QUANTITATIVE significance. Spending serious money for those kind of tests is not smart because of the above reasons, it doesn't matter how accurate they promise you to be, the results will be just vague indications with little practical value anyway.

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