C-E-G is not a chord progression. This afternoon I discovered that I was pressing the reed and mouthpiece too tightly on the Tenor. the thing we are subtracting or adding is a semi-tone, which is the very next note. It may be easy once you know how, but it takes time and practice to get all these things right. This item: Tenor Saxophone,Bb Sax,Muslady Antique Finish Brass Body White Shell Keys with Carry Case Cleaning… $470.00 Only 15 left in stock - order soon. Then just let it take me wherever as long as I can find my way back to the 1, 4, 5’s , I’ll figure it out by ear maybe from there..maybe. Thanks Johnny!! This is referred to as the chromatic scale, where we play every note consecutively leaving nothing out. F-Fork Assembly for Selmer Mark VI Soprano. Reading these replies, I’m almost confused! I played with and without backup music and tracks and they loved it. One of my horn section players, a masters educated trumpet player recently described my arrangements as “amazing” and “once you get used to his style of notation you become a convert.” I am extremely comfortable talking to string players about keys, ones, thirds, fifths, etc, but am also reluctant when I’m introduced to a horn player who needs to read my notation, because I know it’s not the accepted style and might look childlike to an educated musician. If they say “C” and I’m on the tenor, I say to myself, “C sharp, D… I’m in D” If they say “C” and I’m on the Alto I say, ‘B, A#, A… I’m in A.” It really is THAT simple. But it works, and I’m too old to try and relearn the theory they tried to teach me 50 years ago. I started playing the sax in April of 2015. Sold by … As there are 12 notes to an octave that is Bb below C, plus and octave for the Tenor. The next station after C# would be G#, but that can be played as Ab, so you would play Ab with four flats instead of G# with 6 simple and one double sharp . Guys, you’re making it waaaayyy to complicated. 2 or 3 what??? SO, YA, I just learned of the whole transposed instrument thing, very very confusing when I don’t know the theory. We can assume it’s for this reason it just didn’t work out as well. i understand all the above, (have many years concert band, classical , orchestral, etc) For many years now however , I have only been playing blues, rock reggae etc with bar bands. And I don’t care. It’s simple though. Now the other side: from C to the left, you add one flat. FInd the C. What do you see left and right to the C??? Then about 10 minutes later I read mfdwd’s previous comment. I just never understood why a C diesn’t always sound the same on every instrument – I mean, they can play those sounds. Johnny – an excellent explanation of the relationship between the alto/tenor sax and other instruments playing in concert C. Works for me. as far as I learned, Adolphe Sax build his first instruments in C-tune, because he first wanted his instrument played in an orchestra, so concert tune was the natural choice. Easy right? two of these semi-tones equals a whole tone, thats why when you count up 2 semitones you end up playing in the right key when on tenor, tenor is one whole tone above concert pitch. If they’re in E you need to play in F#. So as a tenor or soprano sax player just think one whole tone interval above the piano concert pitch. Hi Johnny, thank you for the advice I will try that. As for the octaves, thank God for an octave key and an ear. This works well for me because my first instrument was a keyboard. C is the first note of the scale and so the 1 chord, F is the 4th note of the scale and so the 4 chord, G is the 5th note of the scale and therefore the 5 chord. Best thing you can do is practice all the keys on your own and then you’ll be prepared for any situation. Hi Rainer, you should take into account the octave too. I like Johnny’s quick way of remembering which note to play on your Alto sax. As both instruments are larger than a recorder, they play deeper by this many notes. I’m not talking about scoring music for an orchestra. Appreciate this site and Most musicians I’ve played with are guitar or keyboarders so as a teenager who had forgotten grade school theory, I just learned the fingerings on my alto, then my soprano, then my tenor and finally on my baritone – as concert tones. My comment (above?) (Remember the tune Take Five? That is how I’ve picked it up. It enjoyed a short-lived popularity then not. The good news is it’s all very mathematical and so once you know your scales and chords they;re all the same. Question : What is the pitch of our Tenor, an Alto take five. I can remember seeing one or two over the years but don’t recall how they felt. So here is my simple rule: from concert, you play one tone higher and add two sharps (#) or leave out two flats (b). I’m a newbie to the sax, but I’v played guitar for years tho very little music theory. Some explanations just lose me. I’m trying to figure out where you’re at so I can give you some clarity, the way you describe it doesn’t make sense to me. This means that they are not in concert pitch like a piano or guitar. Ok I see you are on the right track. I find if you can remember the sound of 6’th note on the piano it gives me a feel for the F# sound. For Bb you add Eb etc. LOL I’ve also found the difference on Alto and Tenor to be 5 semi-tones, so if we hear something on the Alto that we wanna play on Tenor, we just account for those 5 semi tones in our minds and we know instantly what key to play in, right? That’s simple math. The rule is: Play two tones deeper and add three sharps (#) or leave out three flats (b). The F as a chord progression is the 4 chord which is one of the major and most important chords along with the 1 and 5. So when a Bb tenor sax plays it’s written C it sounds Bb on a piano. • Tenor (left) and soprano saxophones, showing their comparative sizes I saw (Bb became C-E-G) But with a key change I have to make two adjustments in my head: the Bb I read I ‘transposed” to C, but now need to do it again and play D if they changed the key to C. Just too much to do too quickly. LOL! I can’t give you the perfect answer but the scientific reason has something to do with the length or size of the instrument. You’re not the first person to wonder about this question that’s for sure! Larger and lower pitched than the "typical" saxophone, the alto sax, but still smaller than the hulking baritone, the tenor is a common yet unique saxophone to play. Also started playing with a church band (they are very forgiving – no pun intended) and you can make mistakes. well, the F as part of the scale will sound like it wants to resolve when played over the 1 chord…like it has some tension so we generally keep away from playing it over the 1. I’m sure there is a better way – just have not found it yet… (here’s hoping). This means that they are not in concert pitch like a piano or guitar. Hey Theo, no, I don’t think you’re really grasping it… If I see a Bb in C Major, which tells me right away I’m dealing with a flat 7, I would play that note as G natural in A Major because it’s the flat 7 in the key of A..so, it’s perfectly acceptable to transpose from 1 key to another like this, right? Learnt about transposing the hard way. yes Michael, you got it right. I learnt the transposed keys by heart – at least the ones we used most often. In fact the 4 is 5 counted down from the main tone 1. Look at an F, you can easily see that the G is one whole tone above it. When I was transpose music for my Alto, I have a choice to raise all the notes by nine notes for the exactly the pitch, or lower them by three which will still sound good, but those notes will be an octave lower than the piano’s. So this is easy: if you have a tenor, add two semitones (and #s) in you example leading to A. I have found it the easiest to think of my key is a minor 3’rd from concert, whats easier to play Tenor or Alto?? Now back to the circle: Counting from C to the right, you add one sharp. I had a hunch there was something up when I kept hearing people talk about playing such and such note immediately followed by “concert different note”. Apologies Johnny. SKU 201. How do I recognise a key quickly? Looking at any note in relation to it’s scale is a quick/easy way to transpose from one key to another, right? you said “I learnt the transposed keys by heart”… not sure what you mean by that. your A example is the same because F# is 3 semi-tones below A. BTW, 3 semi-tones is the same as saying a minor 3rd. The C Melody sax was conceived of in the earlier part of the 20th century, long after the invention of the original alto saxophone back in the 1840’s. Seems I’m not the only one thinkin outside the box. I purchased an Alto and a Tenor, because I couldn’t decide which I liked the most. Yes I’m lazy, but it just makes more sense. (Tenor) = 14 (Alto) Take Five = 9 I’m talking about when we’re in a room with a band and the guitar player says this songs in the key of G One whole tone means going up two semi-tones which are the smallest increments we have: C, C#, D, D#, E etc. Aw man! Because it just didn’t sound as good as the other transposing saxes. Again – which ? looking at the E. That is 4 right of the C – you know now that E has 4 #’s. The three main keys that are used most commonly, and for the notes that you learn when you first start on tenor saxophone, are the ones labeled 1, 2, and 3. F-Fork Assembly for Selmer Mark VI Soprano. I don’t know. Imagine, a saxophone that was already in the same key as the piano and all the other concert pitched instruments…no more transposing headaches! I’ve had the pleasure and good luck to play with great artists and now with my own sons. doing this will feel slightly strange or uncomfortable at first (and so it should) but keep doing it every day and it will feel right and if you actually start playing with more of the mp in your mouth you will notice your tone improving. If you play certain notes on your alto, how do they match up with the same notes on the tenor, or piano? What Johnny is showing here is not rocket-science or anything, it’s very straight-forward. just count 4 back from the D (2 left from E) and you get: D# G# C# F# – easy ? Every time i meet a piano player they play an “A” and ask me to blow an “F#” to check i’m in tune with them. This is a simple application of the cricle of fifths. And I need to learn to improvise. The keys on your right will be on the right side of the diagram. As for the 1, 4 and 5, I’m going to figure out what that is, and learn that too. for pete’s sake… who cares about how many notes or octaves you’re going to be off of the piano? Yes Steve, you got it without even understanding much theory. or NO ? For alto, you have to subtract 3 semitones (add 3 #s) resulting in E. 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